tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post5627090377882207939..comments2023-10-26T00:07:03.824+08:00Comments on New Philippine Revolution: The Askals, Kayumanggi and Arnold ClavioPatricio Mangubathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-4691934988793720792012-03-24T13:03:19.890+08:002012-03-24T13:03:19.890+08:00I guess Clavio was criticized for being a racist b...I guess Clavio was criticized for being a racist by using the term "nagkukunwari (pretending)". I believe some of the azkals are pure Filipino, and by stating "Hindi SILA..." he meant the whole team, that's why many reacted to his statement. But then again, Clavio may have not intended to be a "racist" in effect he is just stating a fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-19224051987874188092012-03-23T00:06:25.675+08:002012-03-23T00:06:25.675+08:00"kayumanggi has a deeper sense, it embraces t..."kayumanggi has a deeper sense, it embraces the filipino culture for respect- specailly the elderlies and the women. the askals do not."<br /><br />haha,really??!!! parang cnabi mo na din na kung foreigner ka, wala sa culture nyo na rumespeto ng babae/elderly. Whoa, na experienced ko ma sexually harassed dito sa Pilipinas. When i was abroad, I was surprised na may large number pa pala ng gentlemen, and they are foreigners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-31741615041942458712012-03-21T04:36:06.132+08:002012-03-21T04:36:06.132+08:00@anonymous, true, because blogging aims to elicit ...@anonymous, true, because blogging aims to elicit reactions, journalism is simply narration of facts. Opinion writing, however, like blogging, is like this. The difference really is in blogging you get instantaneous reaction from your readers.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-58108470559254955442012-03-21T04:34:52.374+08:002012-03-21T04:34:52.374+08:00Really anonymous, money is the last thing on the m...Really anonymous, money is the last thing on the minds of the Askals? I will believe you if they will stop offering themselves as commercial models.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-77463536495106685802012-03-21T04:33:19.334+08:002012-03-21T04:33:19.334+08:00Let me answer this point by point however starting...Let me answer this point by point however starting with the last point.<br /><br />First of all, let me be very clear--I am not writing disparaging remarks against the Askals and I am not generalizing here. I am just presenting the points raised by Clavio and infused it with analysis. NOw, whether or not the analysis is valid remains in discussion. That is why this is called BLOGGING because it's supposed to elicit reactions.<br /><br />5. " they did not join the national team just to get modelling jobs..' This is partially true for some but not all Askals. Did I say that most or all of the Askals' motivation to come here was to get jobs? No. I said "some" not "all". I recognize that footballers had to earn extra income from modelling and I agree, there is nothing absolutely wrong about it.<br /><br />4. Partially true. However, there are recent Supreme Court decisions which I will cite in another blog entry which invalidates your SH argument. NOw, whether there is a case or not, the point of the entire article is simple: those two Askals should still be punished because if they claim to really be Filipinos, they will respect women because it is ingrained upon our culture that men respect women. <br /><br />3. That is good.If indeed team discipline is being implemented, then, I commend the Askals. However, let me be very frank--they should have applied this to the two Askals mentioned in the complaint by Ms. Ramos. These Askals should be reprimanded for what they did--even if it is not an SH case. <br /><br />2. The term Filipino is a citizenship. To some, it is a state of mind. To most, it is interpreted as a race. The term refers to citizenship. You may lose your citizenship, you may elect to change it, that is allowed by law. Now, Filipinos born here, obviously, does not lose their citizenship but their statuses. That is the general rule. For the Askals, it is different. They have the right or the option to choose. Now, again, I am not referring to all, I am referring to some of them. If they choose to be Filipinos, they have to embrace their being Pinoy in totality.<br /><br />1. For a more insightful understanding of where we really came from, email me and order my book free--its a history book. This will explain to you my concept of Kayumanggi in totality.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-10575749317258114882012-03-19T08:06:48.785+08:002012-03-19T08:06:48.785+08:00good read, sir.
followed you, do follow me back, ...good read, sir.<br /><br />followed you, do follow me back, thanks :)Earlhttp://silktycoon.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-14235580156503645622012-03-18T15:20:31.661+08:002012-03-18T15:20:31.661+08:00Haha money? Don't make me laugh. It's the ...Haha money? Don't make me laugh. It's the last thing on their minds. Hahaha you're funny. =))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-23051252245429447002012-03-18T15:18:26.462+08:002012-03-18T15:18:26.462+08:00They are, according to our constitution, are Filip...They are, according to our constitution, are Filipino. Unless you or Clavio are higher than the constitution.<br /><br />Kahit sa mga nakatira dito, madaming nangyayaring ganyan..and I'm not saying Moy and Angel are guilty pero kadalasan the ones in the government pa. Anong point mo na gawing special case ito? Hatred for the so-called half breeds? LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-46569629904468922862012-03-18T15:13:56.266+08:002012-03-18T15:13:56.266+08:00Haha hindi fact yan. Oo kung football mahihirapan ...Haha hindi fact yan. Oo kung football mahihirapan silang makakuha ng spot sa ibang bansa pero kahit na, sigurado akong makakakuha sila ng spot kahit sa third tier league dun. Si Etheridge and Schrock, mas malaki pa kinikita sa highest paid PBA player natin dito. <br /><br />Tsk..tsk..really misinformed or just plain ignorant. Eto yung blogpost na para makisali lang sa issue without considering the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-58380573337650875612012-03-18T15:09:48.872+08:002012-03-18T15:09:48.872+08:00I am not sure about Moy's case but with Guirad...I am not sure about Moy's case but with Guirado's..hmmm sexual perversion by wearing underwear..in the men's locker room? Oh cmon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-66021140788409390552012-03-18T15:08:32.446+08:002012-03-18T15:08:32.446+08:00Tanong ko lang sayo, hinusgahan mo na sila kahit w...Tanong ko lang sayo, hinusgahan mo na sila kahit wala pang napapatunayan na meron ngang sexual harrasment? At nilahat mo na yung Azkals hindi lang yung dalawang nireklamo? Wow galing naman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-67208555491186807642012-03-18T14:17:36.928+08:002012-03-18T14:17:36.928+08:00this is one of the reasons why there’s a big diffe...this is one of the reasons why there’s a big difference between BLOGGING and JOURNALISMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-22283438627489988492012-03-18T14:15:09.767+08:002012-03-18T14:15:09.767+08:00clavio expert yan haha may anak yan kay sarah bala...clavio expert yan haha may anak yan kay sarah balabagan ofw rape victim. lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-2860503650424554552012-03-18T12:12:56.011+08:002012-03-18T12:12:56.011+08:00"If these Askals really love their motherland..."If these Askals really love their motherland and they really respect Filipinas, they will not act and say these things. Hence, what Clavio told me was true--they are just faking it".<br /><br />i totally agree. even with a championship trophy in tow, there inst much to rejoice. in the eyes of the filipinos, we jubille. but in the eyes of the world, it's a just a payroll. no honor. the world knows that we came from asia, and many askals do not bear our asian roots. kayumanggi has a deeper sense, it embraces the filipino culture for respect- specailly the elderlies and the women. the askals do not. <br /><br />the askals play not for glory, but for money.<br />a trophy without glory. a team without honor. <br />askals= most fitting name for the team.mamomoondokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12937438125418987050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-38486716424682509342012-03-18T11:15:06.999+08:002012-03-18T11:15:06.999+08:006. as much as everybody have the right for freedom...6. as much as everybody have the right for freedom of expression, the two alleged offenders has the right to due process and presumption of innocence. it does not mean because you have the freedom of expression, it is ok to use this right to curtail or step on the rights of others. these are still allegations. the players are still in nepal where their side is not being fully heard. the freedom of expression is not an absolute right. <br /><br />7. you are just applying your own definition of being filipino to the azkals and not to others like jessica sanchez. that is a violation of the equal protection clause. it must apply it equally to all members of the same class. they are of the same class i.e. one parent is filipino but born or raised abroad.<br /><br />8. not because we are criticizing arnold clavio for his bigotry we are condoning disrespect against women. if he wants to condemn the act, why does he have to resort in racist diatribe to prove his point? can he not do it without pointing out the players lineage? im a woman and i got disrespected a lot of times and not one of them are fil-foreigners. they are all pure breed pinoys.<br /><br />9. you dont need to be a fil-foreigner to be jerk, asshole or a dickhead. a week ago, a 7 year old girl was killed and raped. the 2 suspects were pure breed filipinos as per your definition.<br /><br />10. yes, it is not in our culture to disrespect women and so are other country. which country will say that it is in their culture to disrespect women? use some common sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-6988034640563421782012-03-18T11:12:32.819+08:002012-03-18T11:12:32.819+08:00the author of this blog is a classic example of an...the author of this blog is a classic example of an individual who have the choice to be informed but choose not to because of his bigotry and prejudice.<br /><br />1. kayumanggi refers to the whole Malay race, not to a certain culture. the Malay race came from one ancestry -- from homo erectus javanensis. the east asians (e.g. chinese, koreans, japanese) came from once ancestry - homo erectus pekinensis. that is why there is nothing called pure filipino even the taong tabon who are considered the first habitants of these islands; they came from java who crossed the seas to the philippine islands during the ice age. we are of mixed heritage. that is why your view of kayumanggi supremacy is misplaced.<br /><br />2. how can you be a filipino if you are not a citizen? we follow the jus sanguinis rule (right of blood). they are still filipinos whether they like it or not because it is in their blood. it is not a matter of choice. they cannot erase the fact of being a filipino by doing things more canadian (according to your example).<br /><br />3. they do not get in the national team only because they are foreigners or they possess the built of a foreigner. it will still depend on their skills and their attitude as a football player. also, not because they got in, they will be there forever. every spot in the team is being contested. it means that if they want to retain in that spot they have to show they are improving because others can take it from them. classic example is leigh gunn, a former nt member before the popularity of the azkals, he was sent home in a training camp because of his attitude. jason de jong also almost got booted out of the team because of his attitude before he made amends when he apologized to the coaches. anton del rosario was not included in the line-up for the challenge cup coz he is being disciplined for partying too much. matthew hartmann was suspended indefinitely from playing both in the national team or in the local league for abandoning the team.<br /><br />4. there is no sexual harassment based on the narrated facts of cristy ramos. sexual harassment happens if a person in authority or exerts a certain influence on the victim, took advantage of such authority or influence to obtain sexual favor from the victim. yes it is an overt act because you cannot be punished for things that is still in your mind. even atty. gaby from unang hirit said that there is no sexual harassment. also, atty. kapunan when she was interviewed reiterated that there is no sexual harassment. for what its worth, their offense is unjust vexation.<br /><br />5. they did not join the national team just to get modelling jobs or to become "artista". they are losing more just by playing for our flag. they have jobs abroad as professional football players. they earn more than what they will get for endorsement contracts here. fyi, it is normal for football players to get modelling jobs or endorsement contracts. have you ever heard of david beckham or cristiano ronaldo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-90346273340097419692012-03-18T11:06:17.313+08:002012-03-18T11:06:17.313+08:00@anonymous, re-read your law dear. This interpreta...@anonymous, re-read your law dear. This interpretation, though correct, is not the prevailing view on SH anymore. Sige, if you think that THESE TWO ASKALS did not commit SH, i THINK THE MOST APPROPRIATE CASE TO BE FILED AGAINST THEM WOULD BE Sexual Perversion under a special law?Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-57630112279805961202012-03-18T11:03:53.625+08:002012-03-18T11:03:53.625+08:00@ anonymous, so are you saying that a man who once...@ anonymous, so are you saying that a man who once committed an alleged SH infraction has no right to comment on something like that? Well, correct in a way. Pero, the thing here, let's accept the fact that (1) These Askals should not be treated especially like they are now being given and (2) I think PFF should not protect the two Askals. They should open themselves up for investigation.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-72480087503575425162012-03-18T11:01:39.156+08:002012-03-18T11:01:39.156+08:00@ anonymous. Ian and etal if they are in active se...@ anonymous. Ian and etal if they are in active service, are outside our discussion. Let's put it in context--you said a while ago that they are dentists, doctors, etal. Again, can you please tell my readers who are these doctors you claim from the Askal ranks? <br /><br />As for the PhilHUsbands, that's the point---tignan natin kung sa bansang pinanggalingan ng mga yan, makakakuha sila ng trabago, obabs ka.<br /><br />Yun nga ang point--karamihan o ilan sa mga Askals na yan, naririto lang sa Pinas dhil hindi makakkuha ng trabago elsewhere. That's an introvertible fact.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-73698027276955790262012-03-18T10:57:57.889+08:002012-03-18T10:57:57.889+08:00@ anonymous, I think mas obobs ka. Please re-read ...@ anonymous, I think mas obobs ka. Please re-read your law. The law on SH has been modified and construed. What they did was utter sexually-laden language against a female. It does not need that you are in a position of authority to comment sexual harassment. <br /><br />Like I said, don't defend such acts, since everyone knows that these acts are wrong. Better yet, the Philippine Football Federation must open itself to scrutiny and place these two Askals before the bar of justice.Patricio Mangubathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638744667769552303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-73544017886602559332012-03-18T08:18:56.310+08:002012-03-18T08:18:56.310+08:00It's not a work, it's only a job hence, th...It's not a work, it's only a job hence, they do not work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-65730115477280260072012-03-18T07:31:49.578+08:002012-03-18T07:31:49.578+08:00Obobs ka talaga. D fact lang na pinag pipilitan mo...Obobs ka talaga. D fact lang na pinag pipilitan mong sexual harrassment eh pinapakita mo na gano lang kaliit utak mo. Pansinin mo kung SH pa rin ginagamit na term ni cristy j. At baka nahaasam na. Baka naman disrespect or misconduct, malayo ang pagkakaiba nun sa SH. If u go by definition, how could she be sexually harrrassed eh she was in position. If she felt slighted, dapat right then and there she reprimanded d players for their behavior. Kung totoo nga allegations nia ha. Dahil d case is still ongoing wag naman sana maprove na it was clear misinterpretation at baka mapahiya lamg sya. At ikaw na rin. Wait for the other side to be heard, pag uwi nila fr nepal may sagot va dyanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-77464699337706656122012-03-18T07:08:44.625+08:002012-03-18T07:08:44.625+08:00Whatever. Im just saying you know :p on topic pa r...Whatever. Im just saying you know :p on topic pa rin yan cos ur talking abt sexual harrassment, d azkals arnold....ur a jokeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-63232817849727114172012-03-18T06:56:34.643+08:002012-03-18T06:56:34.643+08:00Tanong mo kay mvp magkano pina pasqeldo nia sa you...Tanong mo kay mvp magkano pina pasqeldo nia sa younghusband brothers for playing for meralco sparks. Baka naman sabihin mo pang yun multi million contract nila eh hindi pa rin trabahoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1191186405357443063.post-76904887512789769802012-03-18T06:54:45.661+08:002012-03-18T06:54:45.661+08:00Panalio ka. Misinformed ka nga talaga..misinformed...Panalio ka. Misinformed ka nga talaga..misinformed na nagdudunung dunungan. Anong tawag mo sa ufl league hindi trabaho? Yun european FCs where some of d azkals ply their trade where they are paid in euros? Hindi trabaho yun? Kaya nga tinawag na pro players eh...obobs kang. Sina chieffy ian et al in active service sa military yan...at baka isampal nina aly sayo businesses nilaapahiya kaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com